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And the consumer market, I mean, we're pre-mobile, right? So like pre-mobile, the consumer market, pre-internet, yeah, is big, but like it's nowhere near IBM's market and the enterprise market.
You had Oracle out there. Remember, there were still mainframes and mini computers. Those things were enterprise-ready. IBM had product still.
Easy. Because that's where IBM could squish us like a bug.
Microsoft started out as a consumer company and we built a very important consumer business. That success translated into the opening to go build an enterprise business.
the enterprise muscle, muy macho, it got very big and very strong. And so I'm very proud of that.
Microsoft's a great company. But to have both of those muscles totally firing, if I'd been able to sustain that consumer muscle, and I had some ideas about why that didn't happen.
You had Oracle out there. Remember, there were still mainframes and mini computers. Those things were enterprise-ready. IBM had product still. You didn't have enterprise support.